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| Neurion |
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I am having an issue where my chance does not increase past a certain point.
I have my chance built up to:
Juka Mage 1.21%
Juka Lord 1.21%
Juka Warrior 0.717%
It does not chance no matter what I kill or what type. I do have the current patch. I log off and then go back the next day and after about 10 kills I get my AOA.
Was wondering if anyone else is experiancing this or do I just have bad luck. |
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| Posted: Wed Mar 03, 2010 7:22 pm |
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| Dirk |
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| I have had some similar issues but more than anything it seems to take longer to get an aoa these days. Not sure if they(Red or Death) have made changes to the aoa % chance or not. |
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| Posted: Wed Mar 03, 2010 7:41 pm |
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| Death |
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| Dirk wrote: |
| I have had some similar issues but more than anything it seems to take longer to get an aoa these days. Not sure if they(Red or Death) have made changes to the aoa % chance or not. |
The AOA formula hasn't been changed in well over a year. AOA's have a constraint to prevent spawn camping and to encourage players to fight in other areas as felucca is a large region. Once you receive an AOA, it is a lot harder to obtain another AOA in the same day as well as in the same region. As you gain more AOAs, your chances will diminish until enough time has elapsed.
My suggestion for AOA gathering would be to obtain 1 AOA in one area, then move on to another dungeon, switching spots when you've obtained another AOA. If your chances have become lower as a result of gathering enough AOAs, I would suggest waiting a day before continuing.
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| Posted: Wed Mar 03, 2010 8:02 pm |
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Awesome to know. I am perfectly ok with getting 1 a day but will try the different dungeon idea. Thus far I have gotten:
Boots of the legendary construction worker 35 phys resist
Bracer of Paraclesus 15 med and 20 resist of fire, cold, energy, poison
Two decent pieces to help me get to a full 70, 100lrc suit |
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| Posted: Wed Mar 03, 2010 10:25 pm |
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| Dirk |
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| Good idea Death I will try moving to a different area. |
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| Posted: Thu Mar 04, 2010 12:06 am |
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| Ok, I went to a new dungeon. It seems to only give me the amount per kill. Sorta like it is not increasing just giving what I would be if that kill was added. |
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| Posted: Thu Mar 04, 2010 12:53 am |
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| Neurion wrote: |
| Ok, I went to a new dungeon. It seems to only give me the amount per kill. Sorta like it is not increasing just giving what I would be if that kill was added. |
What are you killing and what numbers are you getting?
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| Posted: Thu Mar 04, 2010 3:00 am |
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| Neurion wrote: |
| Ok, I went to a new dungeon. It seems to only give me the amount per kill. Sorta like it is not increasing just giving what I would be if that kill was added. |
AoA drop rate percentage is based on when you last received an aoa. So, if you received an AoA 6 hours ago, the chance is still going to be low.
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| Posted: Thu Mar 04, 2010 7:52 am |
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a week ago when i went to get a aoa from killing jukas in wrong with my jackels with 1200 luck i was their killing juka after juka for an hour and i still didnt get one when i hadnt got an aoa in 2 days, i havnt tried getting one since :[
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| Posted: Thu Mar 04, 2010 2:54 pm |
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| newguy wrote: |
| a week ago when i went to get a aoa from killing jukas in wrong with my jackels with 1200 luck i was their killing juka after juka for an hour and i still didnt get one when i hadnt got an aoa in 2 days, i havnt tried getting one since :[ |
Killing monsters does not guarantee an artifact. You can kill things for hours on end and not get anything while somebody can go in and get one right away. That's just how the randomization works (Sometimes in your favor, other times it's against you).
The constraint in place will only make it harder to accumulate your artifact chance as your kills increase (IF you have already received an AOA that day). It resets back to normal after a certain period of time (Let's consider it as a daily thing for now as I can't say the exact time frame at this current point in time).
If you aren't getting an AOA, it can mean one of several things:
1) You've already gathered enough AOA's in one day so it's going to take longer to obtain the next one. You can either continue to kill stuff or you can take a break and return later.
2) The random number generator is not working in your favor and although your artifact chance is high, you aren't winning the lottery. Everyone gets a bad streak of luck, take a break and return later on.
3) The monsters you are killing aren't strong enough to merit a high enough percent artifact chance. If you are trying to get an AOA quickly, you may consider fighting something more challenging. Killing lesser creatures that only reward you with a 0.5% artifact chance might take awhile.
4) You are camping the same region and have already received an AOA. Your chance of obtaining another AOA in that same spot is effectively 0. Switch locations to improve your odds, there are plenty of good hunting spots in felucca.
5) The AOA system is bugged in some way. Although very unlikely, it is possible that some area was overlooked and caused some kind of issue.
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| Posted: Thu Mar 04, 2010 4:07 pm |
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| Neurion |
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I understand it should take more time so noone can farm AOA's. I went into Ice today to see how it went. This is my recordings:
White Wyrm 2.625%
Snow Ele 0.634%
Snow Ele 0.634%
Snow Ele 0.634%
Ice Fiend 2.625%
Frost Beetle 0.634%
Ice Fiend 2.625%
Frost Beetle 0.634%
Vampire 3.547%
Vampire 3.547%
Ice Fiend 2.625%
Snow Ele 0.634%
Snow Ele 0.634%
White Wyrm 2.625%
This is my kill order of monsters that yeild an AOA chance. I would assume that my total chance never moved because of the "chance" it was saying. I also would assume that after I killed first snow ele it would have added at least moved my chance to a 2.626% chance. As you can see the first kill was a ww at 2.625% and then my last kill was a ww with the same %. Does that mean everything I killed inbetween did not add to my chance. |
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| Posted: Thu Mar 04, 2010 4:25 pm |
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| Neurion wrote: |
I understand it should take more time so noone can farm AOA's. I went into Ice today to see how it went. This is my recordings:
White Wyrm 2.625%
Snow Ele 0.634%
Snow Ele 0.634%
Snow Ele 0.634%
Ice Fiend 2.625%
Frost Beetle 0.634%
Ice Fiend 2.625%
Frost Beetle 0.634%
Vampire 3.547%
Vampire 3.547%
Ice Fiend 2.625%
Snow Ele 0.634%
Snow Ele 0.634%
White Wyrm 2.625%
This is my kill order of monsters that yeild an AOA chance. I would assume that my total chance never moved because of the "chance" it was saying. I also would assume that after I killed first snow ele it would have added at least moved my chance to a 2.626% chance. As you can see the first kill was a ww at 2.625% and then my last kill was a ww with the same %. Does that mean everything I killed inbetween did not add to my chance. |
The percent it goes up is very small so it may take awhile to go up even a fraction of a percent. Try killing a lot of white wyrms and see if it starts increasing.
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| Posted: Thu Mar 04, 2010 4:49 pm |
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| i know it should go up slow but noone has yet explained why the chance goes up or down based on what I kill. If i kill a creature that is supposed to have a chance to drop an AOA then should it not add tot he total. I know I am not crazy in my thinking on this unless the ToT system is diferent than the AOA system when adding up your drop chance %. |
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| Posted: Thu Mar 04, 2010 5:07 pm |
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| Neurion wrote: |
| i know it should go up slow but noone has yet explained why the chance goes up or down based on what I kill. If i kill a creature that is supposed to have a chance to drop an AOA then should it not add tot he total. I know I am not crazy in my thinking on this unless the ToT system is diferent than the AOA system when adding up your drop chance %. |
Think of it more along the lines of a paragon or named creature kill, where your luck is factored in to increase the base percentage chance. AOAs also benefit from accumulated kills (The more you kill, you get a small, accumulating bonus added on to the final percentage).
TOTS:
-Kill a lizardman, get 0.1% increase
-Kill a ronin, get 0.5% increase
-Tot Chance has gone up from lizardman and ronin kill (To 0.6%)
AOAS (Hypothetical scenario):
-Kill a snow elemental, your percent chance is 0.54% (Hypothetical)
-Kill a white wyrm, your percent is 2.45% (Hypothetical)
-AOA chance is individual for each monster, based on their fame level (The same as paragons and named monsters).
-AOA chance is not equal to snow elemental kill + white wyrm kill, they are individual chances
AOA's DO get a percent increase for each monster you kill in fel, provided they have adequate fame. This is added on to the fixed percentage for each INDIVIDUAL monster:
Example (Hypothetical):
White Wyrm Base Chance = 2.00%
Luck Attribute Bonus (Say I have 400 luck) = 0.4%
Accumulated Kill Bonus (From killing numerous creatures in fel) = 0.2%
Your total percent is, therefore, 2.6% (White Wyrm Base Chance + Player's Luck + Accumulated Kill Bonus) for a white wyrm
Now I go kill a snow elemental:
Example2 (Hypothetical):
Snow Elemental Base Chance = 0.5%
Luck Attribute Bonus (Say I have 400 luck) = 0.4%
Accumulated Kill Bonus (From killing numerous creatures in fel) = 0.21%
Your total percent is, therefore, 1.11% (Snow Elemental Base Chance + Player's Luck + Accumulated Kill Bonus) for a snow elemental
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| Posted: Thu Mar 04, 2010 5:17 pm |
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| Awesome job on the detail. Will improve how I hunt. Thank you very much for taking the time to answer. |
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